Isis ([info]isiscolo) wrote,
@ 2004-08-12 13:41:00
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some fic and some meta
First, the fic: I've posted my fic for the [info]the_ouroboros Snape/Draco ficathon here: Shelter From The Storm (no, [info]geoviki, it is not a songfic, dammit). Hard R or possibly light NC17, about 4500 words.

Now some meta about the fic, because as you all know I love to ramble on about my writing. As I've said earlier, I scrapped the first two attempts at a story for this ficathon before settling on this one. The first attempt at a story, which didn't get over a few paragraphs, started with Lucius in Azkaban the summer after OotP, and Draco scheming to get Snape to help release his father. The second attempt, which I may yet finish, began with Draco a few weeks before his legal majority, made a ward of the Ministry (and the Weasleys) after his parents received the Dementor's Kiss; it was sort of a Snape-rescues-Harry-from-the-Dursleys story, except with Draco and the Weasleys. After reading Storm you may notice how some of the ideas from these two attempts made it into the third, final story, even though plotwise each is entirely different.

Each time I started, I had a vague idea that I pushed and pushed at, but it just didn't want to go anywhere. The third story began the same way - but then it started to work. What happens for me, I think, is that the story must take over; and when it does, I know it's going to be successful (in the sense of 'I'm going to finish writing it, and I'm going to be happy with it' - not in the sense of it being popular). It no longer becomes a matter of figuring out what comes next; the story itself tells me what comes next, and I just need to write it down. It was at this point that "that goddamn S/D story I committed to writing" became something I loved and cared about. And I have to say that I am extremely pleased with this one!

A couple of people have sent me feedback recently (and one of my betas made this comment on Storm) that one of the hallmarks of my writing is the multistranded plot which comes together neatly and completely. I think that what happens is that in the first phase of the fic I lay out ideas and elements; I set the scene, stick the characters in, give them some conflicts to deal with. And as I've said before, I always have an idea about where things are going to end up, in general, before I start writing.

When the story gels, the middle is revealed to me - how I take the elements from the beginning and braid them so that I get to the end. These are things I don't know until I get there (I'm a strictly linear writer) but if the story's working, I see where it's going, and don't need to force a thing. Themes start appearing, that I then consciously write into the rest of the story. Sometimes I'll see where I need to back up and introduce elements in the beginning. I suppose that I probably occasionally see where I need to delete extraneous elements, but I can't think of any such cases offhand - I tend to be such a spare writer that I edit by addition far more than by subtraction. Conversely, if the story doesn't gel, I am left staring at the beginning, trying to figure out where things go (or how to get to where I intend them to go), stymied.


An example here is the weather imagery, and the title. My original working title was "The Traitor and the Spy". But when I got to the sex scene and stuck myself in Draco's head, trying to see what it was that he felt about Snape, the issues of security and shelter came up (which you can see go back to my earlier aborted stories), and combined with the way I'd written the beginning it suggested both a title and the continuing 'storm' metaphor. But the rainy beginning of the story was just how I viewed the events - not written with any metaphor in mind at all.

A more plot-based example is the detail of the things on the table in the cottage. Snape needed to have a wand, to perform Legilimens; when I realized that, I backed up and put a description of the table a bit earlier, so that it didn't just show up out of nowhere when he went to get his spare wand. Of course, Draco doesn't know that's what he's doing, so I had him apparently toying with the various items there, which just came out of my head...but then I wanted to reach back and use one to tie the rest of the story together, and hey, there's a bowl, I'll use that. And as I was thinking about Draco finding the broken bowl, the details of the ending showed up in my brain as if by, um, magic. That is, I knew I wanted to end with Draco somehow being recruited to the other side, but I had no idea how that was going to happen until I got there.


Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that the details actually end up driving the story. In a way, I think, it's like randomly tossing a few blobs of paint at a canvas, and then connecting them all into a picture. If I can't make the blobs form a picture at all, the whole thing doesn't work and can't be finished. But if I squint just right, and can see what the picture needs to be, I can artistically daub more paint of the precise color in the exact places that will make the whole thing look as though it had been planned from the very beginning.


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[info]noblerot
2004-08-12 08:15 pm UTC (link)
What an excellent post. I love reading about the writing process. Now I'm off to read the final result...

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[info]isiscolo
2004-08-13 01:01 am UTC (link)
Thanks very much! I love writing about the writing process. :-)

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[info]ex_ajhalluk585
2004-08-12 08:18 pm UTC (link)
One of the things I've realised about me as a writer (I realised it earlier this year when there was that fucking Elmore Leonard list of don'ts going round, and there was that smug opposition to using the weather as an intro) is just how important weather is to how I write. And (and I'm aware this is somethng we share) I think that comes out of sailing. As an urban human, weather is an inconvenience. Mostly, at least. When it isn't, it makes TV headlines. As a sailor, weather isn't just something that may kill you. It's something that is going to kill you unless you watch out. That's part of its job description. Constant vigilence. If you can come 50 miles round some bit of treacherous coastline (it was 13 miles south of Cape Wrath round to the Orkneys, actually) in glorious weather but looking behind you every ten minutes assessing how far the cirrus clouds have spread across the beautiful blue sky behind you [since you ask: we got in at 11.30pm. In a flat calm. The gale hit before 5am]you see weather qualitatively differently and yes; it does drive the story. Most of my stories have weather as a major - character - I suppose. Elmore Leonard opines that it's bad writing, by definition.

All I can say is that I've met fog at sea, and waves, and the tail end of a hurricane, and that Voldemort as depicted in canon has absolutely nothing on any of them when it comes to scariness.

And the same with any other deeply realised detail.

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[info]isiscolo
2004-08-12 10:46 pm UTC (link)
Oh, yeah. I think that Leonard's reasoning is the same sort of thing that gives rise to (in fanfic criticism) any original character = Mary Sue = bad. Perhaps he read too many bad stories where the weather was used as filler conversation, unneeded description that has nothing to do with the story. But a blanket condemnation of weather as an introductory device fails to recognize that it can be important; that there will be different consequences to those people sitting on their patio, drinking margaritas, depending on whether it is the hottest day of the hottest month of the hottest year in recent memory, or whether Hurricane Charley is bearing down on them. Or hell, perhaps it's snowing, and wouldn't you be instantly intrigued, wanting to know why they're drinking margaritas on the patio in drifts that come up to mid-thigh?

And I should say that I am by profession a meteorologist, by the way, but that weather was never half so interesting and important to me until I took up sailing. The numbers on the maps and in the computer are not visceral until they're blowing in your face.

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[info]ellid
2004-08-12 11:36 pm UTC (link)
Not to mention that Sebastian Junger (and Jon Krakauer) both wrote bestsellers that were mainly about (you guessed it) weather, and how deadly it can be even with modern equipment.

As for Hurricane Charley, I don't know if they printed the same photo in Colorado as in Massachusetts, but the front page of my local rag had a beautiful satellite picture of Hurricane Bonnie AND Hurricane Charley both bearing down on Florida like the wrath of God. I haven't seen anything that frightening in the local paper since the headlines announcing that Shrub was president....

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[info]ellid
2004-08-12 11:32 pm UTC (link)
Well, it's not as if anyone's going to be reading Elmore Leonard in a couple of decades; if he's remembered at all, it'll be because one of his books was the basis for "Get Shorty," and thus responsible for the rebirth of John Travolta's career.

As for starting a book by describing the weather...both "Paul Clifford" and "A Wrinkle in Time" begin with "It was a dark and stormy night." One has become a by-word for terrible writing, while the other is a children's classic. It's not the opening phrase (or the weather report) so much as what comes after that matters.

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[info]geoviki
2004-08-12 08:49 pm UTC (link)
no, geoviki, it is not a songfic, dammit

"I offered up my innocence, I got repaid with scorn..."

(all together: "Come in," she said, "I'll give you shelter from the storm.")

Can't wait to read this! I'm off to Boulder tonight to the Shakespeare fest thingie. Pray it doesn't...um...storm.

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[info]erised1810
2004-08-12 08:51 pm UTC (link)
how do yo ualwasy come up with those terrific metaphors for writign eements.
i'l givey ouchallenges onthat-one next time, compare the mai ncharacter in astory with a boat floating on ariver. :)
oh the snape pairings are tryignto lure me in. i'll see I can keep out of it before it al ldistracts me from whateer shoudl be priority on m yreadign list. as i ni vowed to not make the mistake agai nof not readign any of the wll-known stuff before I'd leave the fando mfor good. i am jealosu fo those from 200 and backwards who have al lthat and can keep up withthe good stories now. :)

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[info]isiscolo
2004-08-12 10:47 pm UTC (link)
Haha, we will win you over to the Snape side of the force!

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[info]erised1810
2004-08-12 11:13 pm UTC (link)
Hmm....I know the titles. I might even change my mind aboutthe expected task and read somethign for that.
telanu? Cybele? somethign notto nasty and snakry to begin with. someting with mild overtones I guess.
dont' worry ,I knwo the way.

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[info]lobelia321
2004-08-12 09:45 pm UTC (link)
May I ask: how long did it take you to write this fic, from first plot bunny to now?

(Haven't yet read it but found your mega-comments fascinating.)

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[info]isiscolo
2004-08-12 10:06 pm UTC (link)
Hee, I like the Freudian slip of 'mega' for 'meta'. Um, I do tend to rattle on about writing, don't I.

Anyway, this was an interesting question. I don't know if you meant the final plotbunny or the original, but I'm going to interpret it to mean from the very beginning. I can sort of reconstruct a timeline from my lj posts and document dates:

July 11: "Now I must turn my attention to my the_ouroboros fic, which I have some vague ideas for but nothing concrete enough to write..."

July 19: "The the_ouroboros fic is still only one sentence long."

Sometime between then and July 23 I wrote a couple more paragraphs of idea #1, scrapped it, and then wrote just over 1000 words of idea #2. July 23 is the last save date for the idea #2 document.

July 24: I started the story that became Storm: "So I got another idea. Which is now up to 650 words."

July 26: "So round three of the the_ouroboros fic is now up over 1500 words..."

On July 30 I turned off my computer and left for a vacation. I think I had right around 2000 words. I managed to write about 500 more words longhand while I was gone.

On August 9 I returned. After I typed in the bit I'd written longhand, the story was in "go-mode", and I finished the story fairly quickly. I wrote most of the rest on the 10th, the last scene (620 words) on the 11th. This morning (the 12th) I made the changes my betas had suggested, and posted. Um, final version is around 4500 words.

So, let's see. If you don't count the false starts, it was a week of slow writing, a week of percolating, and then three days of intense writing and one of editing.

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[info]lobelia321
2004-08-13 11:35 am UTC (link)
2 1/2 weeks! Ok, that's good turn-around.

*feels shocked at self's crawl pace: I just noted that I had the plot bunny in April and I'm nowhere near finished*

But then, I did use to turn out boring!Orli installments at the rate of one per 15 minutes. So it takes all kinds of fic, I guess.

OK, now I can read! (I couldn't read last night because I print out and it was too late to print out, the printing noise would have woken the children.. yes, I know, tmi but what hey.)

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[info]isiscolo
2004-08-13 06:13 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, it totally varies for me. Briar Nose was written in a weekend; Scars took me three months, including about three weeks in the middle when I abandoned it and was not planning to go back to it. I can usually write about 500 words a day on a given fic, although sometimes when inspired I go nuts - An Eye For an Eye progressed at 1200-1500 words a day because I was so excited about writing it.

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[info]lobelia321
2004-08-13 09:40 pm UTC (link)
Hm, I wrote 2,000 words today but that's after having written none for weeks. The slow-and-steady part seems to elude me. Let's hope I win the race, anyway, some time.

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[info]ellid
2004-08-12 11:27 pm UTC (link)
That was an elegant story. I normally can't stand Draco, but you manage to make him sympathetic. And the twist at the end...brilliant.

Thanks for such an excellent story. You are indeed a goddess, o mighty Isis!

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[info]isiscolo
2004-08-13 01:00 am UTC (link)
Thanks very much! I tried to make Draco sympathetic but not really very admirable - I am sensitive to falling into fanon characterizations and try to consciously avoid it. I'm glad I inspired you to read something out of your normal comfort range - and that you enjoyed it!

(Not to mention I am glad for the chance to use my lego Draco icon. Whee!)

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[info]lazlet
2004-08-15 11:43 am UTC (link)
Thank you for suggesting I wander over to read this. It is fascinating to read how you approached writing Shelter From the Storm, with the various false starts [and can I add to the cry for you to go somewhere with the Draco as ward of the Weasley's idea!] and then the building of the plotline. As someone who writes very little I am always in awe of those who can construct a story in their head and then get it onto paper in a structured, readable form. I usually manage the first and then fail to translate it into an actually written piece.

And as I've said before, I always have an idea about where things are going to end up, in general, before I start writing.

I tend to believe that if the author doesn't know where the story is going, then that translates to the story itself. This is especially true of multi chapters WIPs that are posted as they are being written. How often have I been reading a WIP and thought to myself, 'you have no idea where you are going with this , have you?' Needless to say, unless the writing is of a high enough quality and the author has given me enough reasons to believe that it will all turn out well in the end [and I don't mean in terms of happy ever after as I never really need a positive ending], I tend to stop reading at that point!

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[info]isiscolo
2004-08-17 07:39 pm UTC (link)
Oh boy, I agree with you on WIPs. And even non-WIPs, actually; sometimes I read a story and wonder whether the author actually had anything in mind when she set out to write. I tend to prefer very tightly focused stories and get bored with stories that wander around with gratuitous conversations with other characters, or sex that doesn't really have much to do with the plot.

Now, sometimes my stories end up in a place other than where I had envisioned at the beginning, but I always have a basic road map. So I might have thought I was heading for Philadelphia but discover somewhere in central PA that I really want to go to Washington DC; but I'm not going to end up in Miami. Um.

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[info]cathexys
2004-08-16 06:45 pm UTC (link)
i'm just trying to catch up on what i missed and this story was amazing and your metaish descriptions reallyinteresting. you are indeed such a careful writer and stylist and all this care you put into plot, tone, style really show! i loved the story in all its subtlety and would love to see where all of them end up yet think it is perfect as hopefully open-ended as it is.

thank you!!!!

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[info]isiscolo
2004-08-17 07:40 pm UTC (link)
Aw, thanks - I'm glad you enjoyed both story and comments. And you get to imagine the rest of it yourself because there ain't gonna be no sequel. :-)

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[info]geoviki
2004-08-17 09:57 pm UTC (link)
Oh, so many choices as to where to post my feedback. No choice at all about what I want to say: I love it!

One of the first things that draws me in to this fic is the level of detail right from the start: the firewhisky in the tea at Draco's previous visit; the ticks, notations, and markings on the map, the fact that Draco is left-handed and holds his wand there. Later, you continue with this fascinating level of detail, not just sights, but sounds, smells, textures. That always catches my interest and brings me close to the story.

I love the way you slip in the way the world is now, with this apparently matter-of-fact statement: "It wasn't that he particularly minded hexing people, but there'd be all that paperwork - sometimes it seemed that the Dark Lord's bureaucracy was worse than the Ministry's had been..." That made my ears perk up, right there.

"It was going to be one of those nights, then. " Oh, good. Because it's going to be one of those stories, then!

"still the same fixed sneer that always made Draco want to scramble for approval, to soften that expression into one of Snape's rare smiles." I started sniffing a hint that even though Draco's with the Dark Lord's government, he's not quite so eager to consider Snape an enemy at all.

"Draco laughed. That was a simple question, with a very simple answer. He met Snape's eyes. "Because he won."" Perfect answer! I really got into this Draco. That's exactly what he would do, especially with Snape out of the picture (I sense that he waited to the last minute before committing).

"the gargoyles sounded the alarm" - I like how you always add these touches to remind us that this isn't just any setting, but a magical one.

"Still alive. You can't believe how happy I am to see you." "And how disappointed I am to see you," said Snape..." I like how you play these contrasting statements, back to back.

"Legilimens!" - Okay, this is where it gets really, really good. Because there are a lot of other curses Snape probably should have used - disarm Draco, memory charm him, send him away with no recollection or a false memory. But this...ooohhh.

And then the sex. Oh, I don't have to tell you how wonderfully you write those kinds of scenes. But this: "an intimate glue holding them together ", describing come...just brilliant!

""You have no reason to…to kill me." Despite his best efforts his voice wavered, " At this point, I thought he would kill Draco (because I read too much angstfic). And if he didn't, I thought Draco would kill him (same reason). I was on edge from this point till almost the end of the fic, even though Draco decides (in the rain) that he won't do it. Great tension building.

"Snape had said that hadn't been him. Of course. It hadn't been Potter, either." - okay, I admit, I'm so gullible. I totally didn't see this coming. Well, maybe it's not just me. Maybe it's your craft and talent!

The subtlety between Draco and Theo is so well written. I didn't see it for what it was until a second read-through. But the way you phrased each careful statement by both of them is impressive.

The piece of the broken bowl is a touch worthy of LeCarre, which is my highest praise! And then, the ending sentence: "He slipped the ceramic shard into his pocket, and headed out into the light rain." The rain, again, and now we've come full circle.

This is an absolutely terrific story. Great plot (yay!), excellent characterization and dialog, lots of unexpected twists and tension, very perfect end. Nah, it doesn't need a sequel. I adore it!

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[info]isiscolo
2004-08-18 02:36 pm UTC (link)
Aw, thanks! I'm glad you like it because you're all about the Draco, even if your OTP baffles me :-) And I really appreciate that you see the little things that I write so carefully in, that the craft works seamlessly. I do think that attention to the mechanics of writing is important; a great story is a wonderful thing, but telling it well is important as well. I love hearing that the structure and designed detail worked, oh yes I do!

(And it's a good thing you didn't see v. 1 of the sex scene. Each and every beta told me it was confusing as hell, although most of them in much politer terms.)

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